Why Switchfoot won’t sing Christian songs | ctkblog


Why Switchfoot won’t sing Christian songs | ctkblog. The question we need to ask ourselves is not whether the song lyrics are written in Christianese, but what the actual message of the song is and whether the singers/musicians are living lives that are pleasing to God.

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  1. You disagree then that the “to one another and to the Lord” principle with the Psalms as the example is normative?

    I agree about celebrity.

  2. Foreman mentions the Christian “box” that many people want to stay in, and put others in. I agree with Foreman that this box is particularly limiting when it comes to art.
    Where is the art in the bible. I’m just asking. I see a direct correlation between people swooning over “art” and their almost inevitable slobbering love affair with the world.
    I left a scathing response to you in that recent piece about Derek Webb. Guys like him nauseate me. You and I will never see eye in these areas. The guy didn’t publish the comment because like Webb he’s a sickening snooty spineless worldling who’s too impressed with his own grooviness to notice.

    Switchfoot can fall off the face of the earth for all I care. They will not be missed by me.

    1. My only issue is whether we have to use Christianese or Church jargon in order for the content of the message to be Christian. There are those who seem to think that we have to use the specialized language (jargon) of Christianity, of the Church, or what we’re saying is somehow not “Christian.”

      1. Sorry man. Didn’t mean to leave ya hangin. I am proponent of a sane and biblically considred version of the “regulative principal”. If it is not commanded it is forbidden. Unless it can legitimately be subsumed under that which IS commanded. (yes, I understand how subjective that CAN get. Especially in the hands of the libertines among us)

        Allow me to wax socratic with you momentarily. How powerful a medium do you feel that “music” is for conveying intellectual, moral, spiritual etc content? You’re best off not trying to figure what you think I wanna hear and just telling me YOUR answer. I say it’s VERY powerful.

          1. You’re playin games with me 🙂

            The music industry is HUGE (billions) and people, especially young people, literally worship the performers in overt idolatry.

            In the bible we have a book of Psalms (songs) which lays down the principal we find carried over for the saints in the New Testament.

            Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16 prescribe that music and singing for Christians is to be to one another and to the Lord. Just like the book of Psalms. I don’t find secular careers with wishy washy, uplifting and positive, generally theistic content for musically gifted believers. That’s another self willed modern contrivance. Musical giftings belong to the Lord and are for the blessing of the saints and the worship of God. Not for evangelism and certainly not to get yourself rich and famous.

            Find me so much as a single exception. EVERY single time music and singing is mentioned approvingly among the people of God it is very strongly and explicitly theological, and exactly what those two NT passages command. The edification of the saints and the direct worship of God. If God has gifted somebody for music, that’s how he expects it to be used.

            The interviews I’ve read with guys like the front man for Switchfoot (whose name escapes me) have shown them to be in every case, shallow, bbilically illiterate types who just want to be musicians. With the Switchfoot guy, there was no mention whatsoever of glorifying and honoring God AT ALL. It was all about what makes me feel good. Which is exactly what I would expect from somebody who is already living outside of God’s declared use of their occupation to begin with. Webb has no testimony either. This whole idea of music as a secular pursuit blessed by God is very modern, like so many other previously unheard of modern views.

            Anyway, like most of what I believe, it won’t win me any popularity contests, but that’s how I see the biblical witness.

            1. As I said, music is only as powerful as people allow it to be.

              I think that the very notion of “celebrity” is idolatry and it’s sad to see that it has infected the Church as much as it has infected the world.

              Also, as I’ve said previously, the issue for me is whether or not a song has to be written in Christianese, in the jargon (specialized language) of the Church, in order to have a Christian message. I don’t think it does.

              1. You disagree then that the “to one another and to the Lord” principle with the Psalms as the example is normative?

                I agree about celebrity.

                1. No, I don’t disagree with what Paul said about singing to one another in psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. I don’t, however, view the Psalms as normative for the Church. If we view Psalms as normative, then we have to view Leviticus and Deuteronomy as normative. While all of the Old Testament was given for our instruction, not all of it is normative for the Church.

                  However, that has nothing to do with the language we use with outsiders (unbelievers) or with anything that occurs outside the context of the gathering together of a local group of believers. Again, my issue, and I think it’s what the guy from Switchfoot takes issue with as well, is this notion that we have to use jargon (specialized language) or what we’re saying is somehow not “Christian.”

                  1. “One another” =Believers singing and making melody to other believers.

                    “To the Lord” = To the Lord

                    Where do we find believers being commissioned to sing and make melody with their gifts to unbelievers? Unless music is not all that important as to fall under the regulative principle? I disagree. I say it is and the idea of Christians making music for non Christians is a modern contrivance as I have been thus far unable, it appears, to get from my mind to yours.

                    I do not believe in exclusive psalmody. My point with the Psalms is that they ARE overtly and unmistakably edification to the saints AND direct explicit worship for the honor and glory of almighty God so yes, that kind of language IS necessary for the faithful utilization of this gift. Pagans would not listen to them for 10 seconds. And shouldn’t want to. We CAN write new ones, but show me your biblical warrant for Switchfoot who does neither. I’ll be waiting.

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